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OP/ED: Paul Ryan is No Ron Paul

Paul Ryan's economic solutions fall far short of Ron Paul's plan, says 'unimpressed' founder of NH Tea Party Coalition.

 

By Jane Aitken

Founder, NH Tea Party Coalition

There is much abuzz over Mitt Romney's announcement naming Congressman Paul Ryan from Wisconsin as his vice presidential running mate.

But many see it as unimpressive, and even premature and just another indication of a desperate move to distract from the idea that the "presumptive nominee" has in truth, been fighting for his political life.

A nominee has yet to be chosen at the RNC Convention in Tampa later this month. And some say recent attempts by the Romney campaign to rule-break and manipulate the caucuses in order to steal delegates from other candidates is a glaring indication that Romney himself isn't all that confident.

One noted liberty activist even suggested that Romney had chosen an "imitation Ron Paul".

There are at least two, if not more, factions of tea partiers who will be swelling the ranks of the convention and at separate tea party rallies, and none of them want Romney as the nominee.

Add to that, a new group of social conservatives who have jumped on the 'Dump Romney' bandwagon urging delegates not to vote for Mitt Romney at the convention, even if they're bound to him. (RNC rules say NO delegates are bound) So it looks like Romney recognizes that he will be bracing for a fight.
Asked if the choice of Paul Ryan would make any difference to conservatives, constitutionalists, and tea party types  as to whether it would help them come around to get in the Romney camp, most who are familiar with Ryan's record say "not a chance".

Here's why: An evaluation of Ryan's record by the Republican Liberty Caucus in 2008 stated actions that likely would not sit well with small government conservatives. It stated "It appears that when Paul Ryan’s party is doing the spending, raising debt limits, and acting unconstitutionally… Ryan goes with the flow. Congressman Ryan’s actual record leaves much to be desired. The issue Ryan is most known for is his interest in cutting the deficit and balancing the budget. But why did the Congressman vote to bail out the auto industry, to pass the Medicare package to the tune of $400 billion, and to nationalize education via No Child Left Behind?"

Paul Ryan on Bailouts and Government Stimuli

-Voted YES on TARP (2008)
-Voted YES on Economic Stimulus HR 5140 (2008)
-Voted YES on $15B bailout for GM and Chrysler. (Dec 2008)
-Voted YES on $192B additional anti-recession stimulus spending. (Jul 2009)

Paul Ryan on Entitlement Programs

-Voted YES on limited prescription drug benefit for Medicare recipients. (Nov 2003)
-Voted YES on providing $70 million for Section 8 Housing vouchers. (Jun 2006)
-Voted YES on extending unemployment benefits from 39 weeks to 59 weeks. (Oct 2008)
-Voted YES on Head Start Act (2007)

Paul Ryan on Education
Rep. Ryan went along with the Bush Administration in supporting more federal involvement in education. This is contrary to the traditional Republican position, which included support for abolition of the Department of Education and decreasing federal involvement in education.

-Voted YES on No Child Left Behind Act (2001)

Paul Ryan on Civil Liberties

-Voted YES on federalizing rules for driver licenses to hinder terrorists. (Feb 2005)
-Voted YES on making the PATRIOT Act permanent. (Dec 2005)
-Voted YES on allowing electronic surveillance without a warrant. (Sep 2006)

Paul Ryan on War and Intervention Abroad

-Voted YES on authorizing military force in Iraq. (Oct 2002)
-Voted YES on emergency $78B for war in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Apr 2003)
-Voted YES on declaring Iraq part of War on Terror with no exit date. (Jun 2006)
-Voted NO on redeploying US troops out of Iraq starting in 90 days. (May 2007)

Congressman Ryan supports the United Nations, the World Trade Organization, federal bailouts, increased federal involvement in education, unconstitutional and undeclared wars, Medicare Part D (a multi-trillion dollar unfunded liability), stimulus spending, and foreign aid.

According to Michelle Malkin in 2009, “[Paul Ryan]"... "hyped as a conservative rock-star" .... "gave one of the most hysterical speeches in the rush to pass TARP last fall; voted for the auto bailout; and voted with the Barney Frank-Nancy Pelosi AIG bonus-bashing stampede."  Milwaukee blogger Nick Schweitzer wrote: ‘He ought to be apologizing for his previous votes, not pretending he was being responsible the entire time, but I don’t see one bit of regret for what he did previously. And I’ll be damned if I’m going to let him get away with it’.”

In this attached YouTube video of Congressman Ron Paul speaking to Neil Cavuto, Paul stated he thought Paul Ryan's budget plan "doesn't cut anything of substance". Paul is the only other candidate whose name will appear on the ballot at the RNC Convention and who is seen by many as a breath of fresh air for daring to tell the truth about many issues.  Cavuto admitted that  Ryan's budget, compared to Paul's, was "mild".

So when it comes to Paul Ryan, I guess you could sum it up this way: "the more things change, the more they stay the same".

About this column: Your guide to all local, state and national politics relating to or impacting voters in New Hampshire. Related Topics: Economy, Jane Aitken, Mitt Romney, NH Tea Party, NH Tea Party Coalition, New Hampshire Tea Party, Paul Ryan, Ron Paul, VP, and VPUTUS

Citizen Jones

12:55 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012

I agree - Paul Ryan is no Ron Paul, primarily because he has a different mind and body.
Operating on the belief that convention delegates are not bound to vote for the candidate under whose banner they were selected, the author speaks only to the legally of the issue.
There is also an important moral issue for such delegates that consider "switching" - will they defraud those that selected them as delegate representatives?
Being a moral issue each individual will have to decide for themselves. If I were a delegate, and I am not, I prefer to see myself maintaining a fidelity and would not even consider the question of switching on the first ballot. But that’s me – it would be interesting to see many comments on this article that specify how they feel about this moral question.

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The Rombach Report

2:40 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012

I am a duly elected delegate from the 6th district of Massachusetts, but the will of the caucus goers who elected me matters little. Here's my story:
http://www.gq.com/news-politics/blogs/death-race/2012/07/whos-afraid-of-these-ron-paul-delegates.html

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Joseph

7:13 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012

Citizen Jones, that's a great question. Basically, the delegate system was designed to end in an actual convention, where informed patriots got together to discuss and decide who should be the president. These delegates operating as "free-agents" was a critical factor set in place by the founders to ensure the delegates weren't forced to vote someone in who they later discovered was a stinker. While the "staw polls" are helpful for gauging the preference of the populous, it's ultimately the responsibility of the elected delegates to dive deep into independent research into the records of all candidates.

Personally, I view Dr.Paul (who has not yet dropped out) as the living Thomas Jefferson, a miracle in American politics. You KNOW who the man is because he's been aggressively fighting for freedom for 30+ years, Mitt Romney on the other hand became a conservative when it was convenient, and that's just not good enough to win the general election. Not to mention if Dr.Paul was the nominee, he'd have an extra few million votes right off the bat by utilizing those who will write him in anyways. Might as well ride the tide instead of fight it if you really wanna oust Obama.

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Floorguy

12:47 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012

A free individual, can change their minds.
Especially if corruption has been exposed for the guy you are suppose to vote for.
The Romney camp, backed by the establishment. have been documented rigging and manipulating the GOP primaries and the delegate selection process.
Romney just doesn't have the support and it is easy to expose the truth now, unlike years past, when we all wondered how in the hell that guy got to be the candidate.

William Hopkins

1:34 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012

So, we have the only honest, ethical, conservative, with a clear sense of the compassion and transparency needed to operate an ethical government, by the people, for the people (Dr. Paul), And the media never puts him in headlines. And we have the poster boy for the Power Elite (Willard Romney) who continue to bankrupt this country, both financially and morally, touting the most outrageous lies in political history, who gets the headlines all the time as the presumptive Republican candidate. Once more, the media and our intellectual laziness will continue to hand our country to that same Power Elite. We have only ourselves to blame, with the complicity of the media.

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James

1:43 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012

There is no moral dilemma here. If you originally supported romney and change your mind before the convention or vice versa and vote Ron Paul then that's perfectly fine, and is your right as a delegate a nd an American. However being a delegate at least in my mind I would assume you know your political stance and that of each candidate very well, that's why you were elected to represent your state. What is morally deplorable is using lies, strong arm tactics, and coercion to force and or intimidate any person, let alone a delegate to vote against their will.

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Smitty

3:06 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012

You Ron Paul morons need to learn when to give up. Paul is not the answer in the first place. IMHO Romney is not the best. However he has won the necessary delegates and will be nominated. We have a Marxist ideologue to defeat, and need to get focused, and quit the childish little temper tantrums that you folks are always throwing. Grow the hell up!

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Jane Aitken

4:32 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012

When one uses name calling it's a clear indication they are losing the argument.

The whole point of the The Rombach Report's article, if you read it, was that Romney only secured ONE of those delegates, and was trying to cheat the other canididate out of the other 17. This is what went on all over the country in many states. Now you tell us, who is the one having 'childish temper tantrums'? Perhaps it is the Romney supporters who should just grow up. Talk show host Michael Graham, not even a Paul supporter, said what happened in Mass was 'corrupt and stupid'.

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Bryn Dennehy

9:05 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012

Sounds like you, the name caller, is the childish one. Should we defeat the Marxists only to replace them with George Bush 2.0?

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Bryn Dennehy

9:06 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012

Well, I guess we already had George Bush 2.0. So, 3.0...

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Ernest

4:23 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012

What the loud, but small in number, Ron Paul supporters seem to forget is that he was soundly reject by the voters twice in the past and has been rejected again this year. They just don't seem to get it. The voters do not want Ron Paul on the ticket in any capacity. He won't be a factor at the convention. At best, his supporters will prove to be nothing more than a minor annoyance.

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Dennis Taylor

12:31 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

We will vote with our consciences, not as the party sheeple. We are furious over being cheated out of delegates and thus, our right to choose. Romney is also a horribly weak choice against Obama. The Republicans need to nominate Paul before it is too late. I have matured to the point where I can see the manipulation and dishonesty of the party and choose not to be a part of it. When will you do the same, Smitty?

nibelung

3:15 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012

Amen to that, Smitty. The Paul people are still tilting at their windmills and imagine Romney shaking in his boots over the power of the mighty Paul (i.e., the guy who more or less finished last in primary voting). I am not losing sleep over this, and I know Gov. Romney isn't either. The public barely even remembers Ron Paul (he might have a little media time with his "festival" near the convention), and after the convention and the dust has settled, the Paulbots will still be talking about vaccines, the illuminati and 9/11 in their little internet world.

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Citizen Jones

4:03 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012

nibelung --> you must be one of those Obamatrons that I have heard so much about, trying to discourage Libertarian voters from voting for Romney in Nov.
Trying to promote an endless barrage of adolescent rhetorical assualts.
Way to shut down discussion Obamatrons.

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Jane Aitken

4:34 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012

@nibelung: Or perhaps, they will still be talking about candidates who really are willing to cut budgets, and not go along with the things that are putting American on a downhill slide.

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Bryn Dennehy

9:02 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012

Anyone who thinks the internet world is little is obviously out of touch.

clever

3:44 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012

We'll see. It is not over and done with yet. I am not affiliated with either party, but if the Republcans refuse transparency and undermine their own delegates attendance with shifty behaviors described above, they deserve defeat.

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Keith F Thompson

4:09 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012

Thanks for all the great tips on what's wrong with Paul Ryan. It's a great start to the letter I'm writing for all my Democratic friends! Still have to verify, but it's great to have a starting place.
My DVR is all set for the Republican Convention, too. You guys are so much more entertaining than the Kardashians!

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Pioneer76

1:58 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012

Keith, I recommend that the dems come up with a better plan than attacking challengers. Seems as though discussion of the real issues and development of reasonable solutions to our very real problems is what's needed. Bobbing and weaving from failed economic and social policies shouldn't get anybody re-elected.

cjbergin

4:33 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012

If the Romney campaign made an honest attempt at unifying the GOP by selecting a running mate whose views align with the Liberty Caucus, I was going to consider voting for him but this confirms that I won't be voting for either party. Good and timely editorial Jane.

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Pioneer76

2:00 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012

CJ - I can smell your apathy from Windham.

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Lynn Rodger

4:04 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012

I too was apathethic until Saturday. Romney has begun to define himself. I think he should continue to do so by declaring his future cabinet now. He should beging by reaching out to Ron Paul and giving him the nod as our next chairman of the Federal Reserve. That is a position Paul that could potentially achieve, and would be an excellent stewardship of his skills and intelligence. Romney has the opportunity to unite true Americans around a conservative mindset and to exalt the values of Freedom and Liberty. If he does this, we can get our country onto the right track, create true change now, and avoid a continued disintegration into chaos.

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Dennis Taylor

12:34 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

Would you please write-in Dr. Paul, a Christian and, as politicians go, an average guy. The rest of you evangelicals out there, why (in God's name) are you voting for a man who believes he himself will become a god in the afterlife and rule over his own planet? Is this not the same sin that got satan thrown out of heaven? How can you expect God to help America if we vote to put an anti-Christ spirit in the highest office?

SteveMT

5:22 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012

Thank you Jane for the facts about Paul Ryan. Indeed, Ryan is no Ron Paul; Ryan cannot even stand in the shadow of Ron Paul. As you correctly point out, his voting record shows that he is just another big government, imperialistic neocon. Ryan adds nothing to Romney's hopes of becoming the next president. I lament the fact that there is not even one imitation of Ron Paul either in our midst or on the political horizon. This pseudo-imitation is grotesque when compared to Ron Paul.

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Pioneer76

2:02 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012

Steve, I applaud your comments. Thank God there isn't another like Ron Paul!

ausscyn

5:23 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012

Paul Ryan voted for TARP, the bailouts, making the PATRIOT Act permanent, surveillance without a warrant, No Child Left Behind, keep the troops in Iraq indefinitely, and the 2008 & 2009 stimulus. Ryan wants to balance the budget by 2040! Doesn't cut spending at all! RON PAUL will balance the budget in his first term & voted against ALL of Ryan's boondoggles. Help send me to Tampa. I'm a National Delegate and we are going to do everything we can to get Ron the nomination, and we won't back down!
I'm spending two weeks in Tampa serving on the Platform Cmte & attending the convention. It's very expensive & I'm not one of those rich republicans.Help send a delegate to Tampa to nominate RON PAUL! Any help will be MOST appreciated. Donate at the link below where you can read more about my effort:
http://www.cynseerlyyours.blogspot.com/

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Ernest

4:32 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012

Ron Paul - the guy who picks a piece of legislation he knows will pass and attaches earmarks to it, then votes against it so he can claim he votes against earmarks. Ron Paul - the guy who has no problem with Iran, the country who's objective is to wipe out all westerners, having nuclear weapons. Ron Paul - the three time voter rejected loser.

Jane Aitken

5:25 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012

My article was a reaction to the question of whether Ryan was conservative enough to satisfy those who are not sold on Romney. It is simply my observation that they are not, due to his being very much like the status quo they protested since 2007. None of us are responsible for Ryan's record, only he is responsible for that. As for 'forgetting' about someone who has such the impact he has on the youth who will inherit the future of this country, the MSM tried very hard to keep its viewers in the dark, even suggesting several times that Paul had dropped out in an effort to promote Romney, but in this day and age of the internet those who seek truthful information weren't fooled.

Now we hear that the Romneyites are having more "tantrums" in Maine. How can anyone here talk about "temper tantrums" and "growing up" - they can't.

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Seamus Carty

8:32 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012

"My article was a reaction to the question of whether Ryan was conservative enough to satisfy those who are not sold on Romney."

The other choice is Obama. You can vote for Obama, vote for Romney/Ryan or not vote at all (which is a vote for Obama). Do you really want 4 more years of Obama?

Amy M. Spencer

5:33 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012

Thank you Jane! I really wish we had the option on Patch to "like" individual comments...

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Jane Aitken

9:04 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012

Thanks Amy. And to Seamus Carty, I say, please don't forget we are talking PRIMARY here even though MR's behavior and the MSM suggest the nominee is chosen and you have fallen for that premise. So the 'other' choice is NOT Obama, yet.

William Hopkins

6:20 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012

The reminder at the bottom of this column asks to tell how I feel. How about how I think? I think it is fortunate for the leadership that there are a lot of people like Smitty and nibelung, who can are induced by moronic slogans, hollow, pointless, ad hominem, attacks on the "marxist" Dems or the "fascist" Reps. They are all Republicrats. Obama a Marxist? Wake up. Obama is completely owned by the Power Elite. Romney IS the Power Elite. Paul Ryan is Romney lIte, without the backing and the mega-money and maybe the smarts. But with all the insincerity, say-anything-to-get-elected, suck-up-to-the-super-rich, lying behavior that the Power Elite must have in their rent-a-Congress.

Comments about Ron Paul, the only honest, accurate, thoughtful candidate, are to remind the asleep-at-the-switch Smittys and others that they ought to dig a bit. But honesty does not seem to be what the majority want.

Ms Aitken's article gives people a start, but the Power Elite who truly own the government and are screwing all of us, can be pretty sure that the Smittys and others won't bother to ponder much beyond their conditioned reflexes.

The never-fail way to find the truth: Follow the money. (They do not want you to follow the money)

"How fortunate for the leaders that the people never think" - Adolf Hitler.

Have an entertaining rigged election, all.

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Happy

4:28 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012

what part of we don't want to follow you or Ron Paul either ....

Dave

6:25 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012

When will Romney learn no matter who he picks, people who support Ron Paul like myself will never vote for him. I dont care who his running mate is. Romney will be anything you want him to be but the biggest of them all is a JOKE

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Citizen Jones

7:05 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012

Dave --> people who voted for Ron Paul on principle (virtually everyone), generally share the principle of speaking only their own opinions, not the opinions of others.
I voted for Ron Paul in the general election of 1988, and I voted again for Ron Paul in the 2012 primary.
I will vote for Romney in Nov 2012.
Speaking only for myself of course, since I have no illusions of reading other people's mind.

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thigguy

8:19 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012

If only Gary Johnson and Ron Paul would run together. Oh well. I guess I have a decision to make.
Write-in Ron Paul?
Or vote Gary Johnson.
I don't know how 'Ron Paul supporters' could go and cave and vote for Romney. *Cough* citizen Jones* Cough*
Frauds.

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thigguy

10:31 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012

@Citizen Jones: "thigguy --> My reasoning is more fully explained in the comments in this April Patch article http://hampton-northhampton.patch.com/blog_posts/as-mitt-romney-returns-to-nh-its-time-for-some-difficult-questions";;

So you've allowed the propaganda machine to force you to believe there are only two choices: Romney or Obama.

"Yes, it is the lesser of 2 evils. Throughout my life, and throughout election history, it is always the same formulation. I don’t like it, it ought not be that way, but it is. Tough sheet for me, and perhaps you – perhaps everyone. But it is what it is." - Citizen Jones

Congratulations are in order: It's people like you that uphold the two-party system by voting for the lesser of two evils and thereby giving a system you say you don't like credibility.

I hope you are right when you say you're Ron Paul supporter speaking only for yourself. It seems like you only vote for your guy when you know he can't win.

"When I voted for Ron Paul in 1988 I knew he could not win. The worst result would be Dukakis winning, but I knew he would not win so there was no reason to vote for Bush to avoid the larger disaster of Dukakis." - Citizen Jones

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Citizen Jones

10:53 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012

thigguy --> you say Its people like me that uphold the 2-party system. You should keep in mind so does Ron Paul.
Ron Paul was a Republican, and then became a Libertarian on principle. It was at this time he ran in the 1988 general election as the Libertarian Party nominee. Then you could say he decided to "uphold" the 2-party system by becoming a Republican....again. Why? Perhaps because he couldn't win as a Libertarian?
You seek; perhaps insist on, ideological purity. You seek that which does not exist. Not even Ron Paul, and if you look in depth inside your own thoughts you would find you too lack purity, but Ron Paul, and yourself are offered exemption from your purity test. I do not seek your exemption; rather I challenge you to a discussion or debate (as you prefer) wherein we can explore face to face our respective political philosophy on video and place that video on YouTube.
You have been challenged; I won’t choke on it – will you?

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Happy

4:32 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012

Principle . LoL one problem you have here....You can't win on Principle don't you get it ..I guess not so you just live in you make believe world and decide to take the will of the people by popular vote and steal delegates that are not yours to change something that is not going to change anything. FOOLS you ALL are FOOLS

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James Smith

4:22 am on Friday, August 17, 2012

I totally agree with this. I will never vote Romney even though I do not want Obama either. The Republican party will loose this election because they have the wrong man in the captain's seat. Ron Paul is the only one if chosen as the Republican candidate that has a chance against Obama. I'm a republican, always have been. And I would vote Obama over Romney.

Michael F. Kenney

6:56 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012

I agree, Paul Ryan is no Ron Paul. Thank God he’s not! When was the last time Ron Paul was the architect of and presented a federal budget? I know of no time. Paul Ryan’s expertise however is in budget development. When was the last time that Ron Paul actually voted for anything other than Libertarian policy? In my opinion he should shed his thin Republican cloak and finally come out of the closet as the true Libertarian he is!

As far as different Tea Party factions are concerned, that’s a good thing because some are way too far right for me aligning themselves with ultra-right-wing organizations. I’m assuming that there might be some Tea Party people that may try and disrupt the Republican National Convention protesting against Romney and Ryan but they won’t pull off a coup.

We as Republicans, Libertarians and Tea Party better understand that there are only two choices available in November. Stop the bickering and whining and vote for Romney and Ryan or live with Oboma et.al for another four years. In other words put up and shut-up!

Mike Kenney

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Garret

7:16 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012

Nope we're voting for Ron Paul sorry, Mitt Romney can lose to Obama if he wants to. If the GOP is serious about winning then they'll select Ron Paul as the nominee but until then have fun losing in November.

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Jane Aitken

7:58 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012

What that means Mike, is that you are sort of out of the loop. Ron Paul suggested a budget that would be far more effective than Ryan's, although I bet all you heard about was Ryan's. Did you see the Cavuto clip? This is proof that those who don't seek out alternatives to what they read and hear normally, may never know they are making wrong statements.

The problem is not Ron Paul advocating for what is right, prudent and truly CONSERVATIVE, but it's the fact that the establishment will do all they can to suppress the message.

As for a disruption Mike, does this mean you sanction the continued disruption, illegality, and corruption that was perpetrated by Romney in the caucuses? Or was that quite OK because he was the anointed one? Or maybe once again you just didn't hear about it thanks to the MSM who didn't want to tell you about it?

Your response is too simplistic for most independent thinkers.

If anyone wants to support Romney in the general, should he pull this off, that's fine... you do what you think is right. But to support him at the convention at this point when there is someone far better? That is to admit you don't really care about conservatism.

The final result is, the people lose.

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Happy

4:03 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012

Thank you Mr.Kenney for saying the words that were also in my mouth it is time for this to stop. We are in a battle for this country to defeat Obama. ron paul is not the person to do that, by a popular vote of the people Mitt Romney won the primaries and therefore the delegates by a percentage to keep them ...No have the taken away by these people who live in a fantasy land ...We must win this to save this Country..there are only two choice...the delegates do not have the right to ignore the will of the people this is not what they are suppose to do ..it is not for them to decide . the people decided and you delegates are to present the peoples view not their own personal agenda to circumvent the will of the people...i don't know what you dont get about that ...stop wasting my time and go away get an island to live on with your ron paul..If he wanted the job he shouldn't have suspended his campaign and fought for it like Romney did..We are at the crossroads now ..and the decision has been made...don't try to change it . it is futile you will loose anyway...so stop

Citizen Jones

7:32 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012

Garret --> No "we" are not. This Ron Paul voter will vote for Romney.

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Jane Aitken

7:59 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012

I think Garret means in the primary. The general will be another story altogether.

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Trish Carr

11:17 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012

Citizen Jones it is certainly your right to vote as you wish. We get it - you are voting for Romney - your claim as a RON PAUL voter voting for Romney isn't going to influence any Ron Paul Supporter to follow your lead as we RON PAUL voters understand there is no difference between Obama or Romney, so it is voting for the same thing, more big government, big spending, etc...etc...on my dime. I do not understand why anyone is even trying to talk you out of your decision as it is pretty obvious that Dr. Paul's message was lost on you, so I don't know whether to wish you the best with your decision or tell you to go tell the Romney Camp that your troll attempt was futile....LOL

I intend to write Dr. Paul in - because IF he does not get the nomination, I would much rather endure 4 more years of HELL than 8 more years. If Romney gets President then we are surely looking at 8 more years of the same. It is a terrible thing to be uninformed, but it is worse to know the truth and listen to those who are still talking in their sleep...

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Citizen Jones

11:30 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012

Trish --> still worse is being convince you know truth, when you don't.
I offer you the same challenged I offered thigguy - I challenge you to a discussion or debate (as you prefer) wherein we can explore face to face our respective political philosophy on video and place that video on YouTube.
In the meantime, nobody has authority to speak for all Ron Paul voters as to what "we" will do. Even those evil progressive communists pretending to be Paul supporters. Shill accusations upon me does not immune you from suspicion that you are an Obama shill.

Charlie Peters

7:56 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012

Bill Clinton, Al Gore & Senator Obama supported the California 2006 Prop. 87, a GMO corn ethanol welfare program.

Bill, Al, have changed opinion on the ethanol mandate, I wonder if California will make this the time for CHANGE?

I support a waiver of the ethanol mandate, voluntary use of ethanol in my gas.

Federal ethanol policy increases Government motors oil use and Big oil profit.

It is reported that today California is using Brazil sugar cane ethanol at $0.16 per gal increase over using GMO corn fuel ethanol. In this game the cars and trucks get to pay and Big oil profits are the result that may be ready for change.

We do NOT support AB 523 or SB 1396 unless the ethanol mandate is changed to voluntary ethanol in our gas.

Folks that pay more at the pump for less from Cars, trucks, food, water & air need better, it is time.

The car tax of AB 118 Nunez is just a simple Big oil welfare program, AAA questioned the policy and some folks still agree.

AB 523 & SB 1326 are just a short put (waiver) from better results.

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Garrett McCaffrey

9:18 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012

The delegate system was designed by the founders so if the government bullshitted the masses the people that actually studied the issues could inform the public and vote UNBOUND...NO ONE IS BOUND.. If they put up Dr. Paul They would get all the die hards that just vote party,independents,anti war,military,libertarians,conservatives,pist off dems, and the anybody but obama. That's why they treat him the way they do. He makes them all seem like Big Government conservatives...He is the only one that has been honest to the people. YouTube Ron Paul 2002 predictions and then vote for the American Constitution vote Ron Paul. Write his name on a napkin if you need to and hand it to them.lol Honestly, with all the abuse I've seen to Ron Paul delegates I don't think the votes even count. You live in a Country that funds wars from both sides, bombs and gives foreign aid to countries at the same time, and convinced the American people that an honest fiscal conservative,Dr.,libertarian,civil rights leader ,constitutional,veteran is dangerous/ racist/ crazy ... ONLY IN AMERICA..LOL

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Jane Aitken

9:22 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012

Well said Garrett. The idea that Paul supporters are being 'disruptive' after having been duly elected as delegates (just ask the MA-17 and Maine) after having to watch Romney camp's multiple instances of illegal and plain bad behavior is outrageous. But this is the meme presented in the press, just like the 'no budget' meme or the 'nomination is done deal' meme.

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Citizen Jones

9:50 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012

Garrett --> What founders do you refer?

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Trish Carr

11:35 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012

OMG!! I have never heard anyone state it better, Garrett!! It is truly a sad state of affairs when people are so lazy they won't go do research and decide for themselves who would be best to run this country!! Much easier to sit infront of a TV and be feed by the MSM. You know, if people are going to act like a mushroom and then they get eaten, why are they complaining? They wanted to be a mushroom and that's what happens to mushrooms...LOL

Jane Aitken

11:21 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012

Addendum: The RLC link was recently taken down and replaced with this one which shows the same information. http://www.rlc.org/2012/08/11/the-paul-ryan-record/

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Garrett McCaffrey

11:26 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012

What the news wont show you, there is a revolution brewing. 71% of all active duty military donation go to Rpaul..look it up...turn off your msm news http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdqRfN9XQgM

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Myles Kennedy

11:27 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012

Looks under rug...oh there's the US Constitution. Just stay under there for a little longer. Everyone except those crazy Paulbots have long forgotten about you. Here's an old cheeto for ya.

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Garrett McCaffrey

11:36 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012

If you can watch this and not get that you are being played by both sides I don't know what to tell you. Romney and obama same questions same exact solutions http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZLqsRqKFyI

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Citizen Jones

12:42 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012

garrett --> Thanks, but I know about this republicratic collusion since 1971.

Jane Aitken

11:53 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012

@Trish: I truly do not think Romney can win against Obama -- he's now made it worse by demolishing his 'nice guy' image with the stuff that went on in the caucuses. So he doesn't even have that anymore. But even if he could win? Republicans will sit back and become complacent about what is going on, all because there is an R in office, even though he'll be doing the same things. This is why the two party system is a fraud set up to control the agenda.. The same people run both..

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Citizen Jones

12:25 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012

Jane --> You are correct; the system is a fraud and I do not restrict it to only the 2 party system. It has engendered in the people a tolerance for fraud, even a reverence - how often we celebrate those that successfully lie and deceive for their cunning and guile.
The people are not prepared for Liberty for they have been brainwashed over a number of generations. Ultimately the people need to be readied. Much progress has been made, though it sometimes doesn’t look like it.
In 1991 the Libertarian Party held a weekend of education and camaraderie, including a march to the Supreme Court as a means to celebrate the bi-centennial of the Bill of Rights. I was there, with less than 50 people. If that were held today, I’m confident there would be a far greater attendance than 3 ½ dozen. There is much more understanding of Liberty today than then thanks to the diligent, and sometimes painful, educational work of libertarians. But to “turn it around” requires still much more people to become attuned to Liberty. The valuable work today is still primarily in the education, and educational examples, Liberty minded people offer their fellow citizens.

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Ernest

4:43 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012

One thing you can clearly see reading through the comments on this forum: Ron Paul supporters are poor, whining losers. They remind me of a 4 year old who's ranting and raving because he didn't get the candy he wanted.

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Jane Aitken

6:44 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012

Actually it's the Romney camp who are the poor whining losers. Otherwise, why would they be using all kinds of illegal means to dump duly elected delegates in many states, even go as far to perpetrate violence? These disrupters should be in jail, including their ring leaders, who may yet be charged with election fraud.

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Chris Eaton

7:40 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012

Yes we Ron Paul supporters wanted some "smarties"..(Ron Paul), but they trying to give us a "dum dum sucker" (Mitt)

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Citizen Jones

10:29 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012

DUMP OBAMA --> I am a Ron Paul voter. I do not whine, and I don't want or even accept candy from strangers.
We would do well to avoid "painting with a large brush", for it is naive and distructive to rational discourse.

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Dennis Taylor

12:39 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

Your comments reflect the level at which you are capable of discourse. If you think that Paul supporters are akin to children who wrongly wail, why don't you wail when you have your freedom threatened, your wealth taken away through inflation and a coming dollar collapse, and have your children sent to slaughter to make Afghanistan safe for the Afghans? We wail not over candy, but over the loss of a dream and for the coming end to the American Dream as we understood it as children. But again, I do not know if my words will be understood by you, but, if you read them slowly or ask an adult for help, you just may.

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davekpghpa

1:09 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

One thing anyone can see, if you bother to open you eyes, is that Romney/Ryan are guaranteed to give us nothing but more of the same. Forget about all the mindless arguments between the two party monopoly and look at the underlying issues... monetary policy, our insane foreign policy and the attack on our civil rights. Here's one of the few in the mainstream media who bothers looking at any of the REAL issues we're facing: http://youtu.be/9FJ_g9BUK2w

Ernest

4:54 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012

Of course Paul Ryan is no Ron Paul. Why would a presidential candidate select a running mate very similar to a candidate the voters have soundly reject on three separate occasions? Only the politically naive would expect something like that.

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Jane Aitken

7:19 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012

60%-70% of the voters rejected Romney in all states including NH. If they were serious they would support the conservative alternative. If Romney could not even get enough people to be delegates in his own home state of Mass, what does that tell you? And now he's demanding 17 of the 18 vote for him? What gives his campaign the authority to do that in Mass or anywhere? It's corruption.

Garrett McCaffrey

11:33 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012

That's right people, same questions same solutions but you like Romney because he isn't Obama...very primitive brains here.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZLqsRqKFyI. monkey level.lol monkey see monkey do I guess.

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Garrett McCaffrey

11:38 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012

The best is they think a guy that lost a 1/3 of the party by screwing Dr. Paul, has no youth vote, no independents, no military vote, and no democrat vote can male up 20 million votes from last election.lol I guess they use the smear math when they look at the debt and the Paul Ryan budget.LMAO...They prove why we are 24th in education...

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Tony Mu

4:25 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012

WHy are you all still talking about Ron Paul? Yes he is correct about some things but so are the rest of them excluding Obama of course. Ron is not the great one he is just another candidate another lesser evil. You all want to make a difference work on your local leadership,town all the way up to state. This time around it is Obama vs Romney and that is an easy choice to make for anyone who has an sense and life experience.

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Dennis Taylor

12:42 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

The choice is manifold. One can not vote to highlight the utter lack of quality in the candidates. One could vote for the Libertarian candidate. One could write in Ron Paul, if the Republicans do not come to their senses in Tampa.

Shane

1:20 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012

I would have to agree that the American people are not ready for liberty. As Dump Obama pointed out we have voted against liberty (the principled Dr. Paul) three times already, not me personally but our fellow countrymen. I find it disturbing that, like the left last election, I am basically hearing, "anyone but Obama!". This mentality it foolish at best and dangerous at worst. To think that way is essentially a childlike response. I am not as... commited as many Ron Paul supporters but I will not be lead to believe that voting my principals is wrong because, "its a vote for Obama", "he can't win", ect ect. No in fact it is those who say such things that remind me of junior high kids saying, "why are you his friend? I'm smarter and better looking you should be my friend." We have a long way to go before people are ready for the liberty of self governance which the Constitution and Bill of Rights affords us. But I have seen a fair amount of youth rejecting this farce of a government we have evolved into.

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Jacob Gall

1:25 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012

I don't know a single person in real life who is so blatantly against Ron Paul, but it's funny how when you get online and see the comments, out pop all of the complete anti-Paul people. I have to believe that this inconsistency with reality is a sure sign that the 'anti-Paul' people who are always posting on these pro-Paul articles are obviously paid commentators.

Anyway, as always, it's clear that Dr. Paul is fighting on the side of goodness. There is not one other Presidential candidate that is talking about ending the senseless killing overseas, ending the senseless gluttony at home with our bloated governments, and ending the senseless stealing of taxpayers money to fund the whole debacle. This is my call to all good-hearted people in this nation, whether Christian, Muslim, Bhuddist, Jew, Agnostic, Atheist, or any other belief, to get behind Dr. Paul, because his fight for goodness is obvious. If you care for your family, your friends, and your freedom, you will unite behind Dr. Paul.

Thank you, and take care.

-Jake

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Morgan G

2:26 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012

If you want Ron Paul's voice heard on a national stage, please sign my petition. You don't have to believe it will do something, but the moment of effort is worth the energy put toward truth and liberty.
http://www.change.org/petitions/the-commission-of-presidential-debates-allow-ron-paul-into-the-obama-vs-romney-debates#share?utm_source=guides&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=weekly_summary

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Jane Aitken

7:10 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012

Dear Lynn Rodger

You suggested "He (Romney) should begin by reaching out to Ron Paul and giving him the nod as our next chairman of the Federal Reserve."

To suggest that is to show a complete lack of understanding of what the Federal Reserve is.

First, it's part of a private cartel of foreign banks who run things. Only certain people would be allowed on its board or as its chair. Ron Paul would be a nightmare for them. Why? (Aside from the fact he'd never accept)

Ron Paul would never agree to become chairman of something he know is illegal and corrupt and wants dissolved! Our association with them should be ended. This is why our founders fought -- to get away from the bank of England.. However we are back in its clutches again since 1913.

The Fed is responsible for the inflation, depressions, wars, and taxes on the middle class. the IRS is their collection agency. Their bankers never go bankrupt, only the people and governments they control. Did you know the World Bank works with UNESCO to brainwash our kids?

These banks and their collectioners are not legal entities of the US government.

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Pioneer76

8:09 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012

Jane, Jane, Jane...what Koolaid have you been drinking?

Jane Aitken

7:13 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012

Read up on Ron Paul and competing currencies. Competition = strength. Sound money is the goal. Constitutional currency is the legal option. The Fed is not.

http://youtu.be/tY0TuJrFbJU

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Jane Aitken

8:44 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012

Pioneer are you suggesting that Paul would ever be invited to serve as Fed Chair? If so you're the one drinking Koolaid! It's a close society of elites to which Paul does not belong... the whole point being, do you want these people manipulating the currency to your detriment?

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Smacca

11:07 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012

Let's pretend that Paul Ryan is a brilliant economist and conservative. He's no Ryan Paul, that's for sure.

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Jane Aitken

8:40 am on Tuesday, August 14, 2012

@Smacca: Let's face it, that's all Republicans can really do these days is 'pretend' their candidates are conservatives and pretend they are nominees even when they are not yet. This is why I fear this is going to be the end of the GOP when Romney loses to the OPEN Marxist. (If he survives the caucus election fraud and foreign donations charges)

Perhaps Soros can give Ryan a job at the Aspen Institute where Ryan was trained to be an agent of change....

Smacca

4:46 pm on Tuesday, August 14, 2012

Oh, now it makes sense... an agent of change? I was wondering how someone so unimpressive could be so overly hyped.

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davekpghpa

6:32 pm on Tuesday, August 14, 2012

Ryan... he crafts a plan to balance the budget in 30 years as we're on the verge of a monetary and economic collapse... vs Ron Paul's proposal to balance the budget in the third year of his 4 year term. We'll never be able to get back on track as a prosperous nation if we don't wise up now, bring home ALL of the US troops and rein in the FED. We can no longer afford to be played like fools with this "vote for the lesser of two evils" game that they have gotten over on us with for the last 40 years.

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Jane Aitken

7:30 am on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

It is refreshing that the younger folks understand all this about what agency/people are causing the money problems, spending overseas out of control (Obama sent $500B in one shot to his buddies in the foreign banks), and endless conflicts where we don't belong, designed to keep us bankrupt and our borders open and vulnerable... and hopefully the youth won't allow this to continue to the detriment of their future.

Smacca

8:30 am on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

If people don't get their heads out of the left right paradigm and start voting for constitutional government this country is screwed. Both parties are only growing the government and covering their own asses. There's hardly a difference. The arrogance of Obama is astounding, and the ignorant supporters of the Dems don't even see their own hypocrisy. Both sides are war mongering, totalitarians and their is no real exposure of it on the corporate mainstream news. Lew Rockwell described them as fleas on a dog. They know they're going to get squished if they don't just keep moving around.

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Jane Aitken

8:38 am on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

NOTE: Just to clarify, our group does NOT endorse candidates in any race so my articles are written from my own observations of what activists are saying. And likewise those who go on TV to endorse candidates do so personally.

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Steve B

8:51 am on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

I've been hearing a great deal of talk about how the purpose of this election is strictly to defeat Obama. While I'd love to see this happen, I think it's important to see the bigger picture of defeating progressivism as a whole. Unfortunately, this is a mindset that has infiltrated both the Romney and Obama camps. Ron Paul may not have much of a chance of winning, but we need to make some kind of effort to preserve our free market and keep some of the liberties that are slowly being taken away. A vote for Romney is just as much a vote for progressivism as a vote for Onama.

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Jane Aitken

5:11 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

@davekpghpa and @Steve B: You are so right on the issues. Neither Romney nor Ryan is talking issues that are serious or anyone cares about. You hit the nail on the head of what I call the 3Fs... Fiscal (federal reserve, spending, bailouts, crony cap, etc) Foreign (foreign aid, wars) and Freedom (Patriot Act, NDAA, internet, spying etc) And they cannot because they both have the wrong positions on all of the above or have voted wrongly on all of the above.

They will NOT change the direction in which this country is headed... it will just be more of the same.

The 'koolaid' we drink is the Constitution. Apparently it's not important to some of you here.

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