Rick, no one has to make up lies about the President. All we have to do is watch his speeches on C-SPAN.... "You didn't build that! Someone else did that!". Case closed.

Masrk vincent and republicans
have a lot of gall to make up BS about of lies which they claim come for this President.

How many lies did the Bush Administration tell in the 2 years prior to the Iraq invasion?
Erich Vieth | January 22, 2008 | 2 Comments

The Center for Public Intergrity has now added them up. There were 935 lies from high-ranking Bush officials. All of them designed to convince us to invade Iraq for no good reason. Here’s a summary:
angerousintersection.org/2008/01/22/how-many-lies-did-the-bush-administration-tell-in-the-2-years-prior-to-the-iraq-invasion/
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Bush Administration Lies for War
http://www.iraqwar.org/adminlies.htm
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WHAT WILL IT TAKE?
How Many More Lies Will the Media Tell
Before We Stop Them?
Editor, TvNewsLIES.org - May, 2005
http://tvnewslies.org/html/what_will_it_take_.html
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This what type of lair and president the republicans like?
WMD joke at white house by Bush
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKX6luiMINQ&feature=related

Mark Vincent - Even your comment is a lie. Watch this so you can see President Obama's remark was edited and taken out of context. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#48252407

Mark Vincent - you're following Saul Alinsky's rule number 5 ... you must really, really hate yourself.

No worries, anyone who loves the truth hates you as well. Obama's full quote is available for all the hear. He was talking about the US infrastructure, and either you know that and you're a liar, or you don't know that, and as such are a fool.

Which is it? Doesn't matter, either way no one is going to trust you ...

When you people claim that Obama's comment meant the 'infrastructure' might we remind you that even THAT was not given to anyone by Obama or the government as he would love people to think? It came from the people who built their businesses and who paid TAXES. So once again, it came from THEM.

The complete quote:
"Look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own," he repeated.

"I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.

"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet."

The idea that roads and bridges cause those who have the courage and ambition to succeed is pure drivel. There are roads and bridges in North Korea and Cuba also. And didn't the failures in our country also have teachers in their lives and fire and police protection? If roads and bridges were responsible for success would there ever be a poor person? As for the quote - it's not clear what the "that" is that Obama referred to. Even if he did mean "the roads and bridges" the rest of the rant is still poppycock of the highest order.

Yo, Romney apologist: the great thing here is that everyone can read the quote, apply the ordinary understanding of the English language and immediately understand that you are LYING, deliberately, with absolute malice.

No one can ever take you seriously again.

I love it!

@Grouse Feather: Do tell how lowering taxes and regulations on the middle class is enslaving them? Please give specific examples of this 'slavery' you mention.

The CM might have more credibility if it did not seek to actively censor material which it is well known for doing. Why not print everything? They have lost business because of it. It's just a poor business model.

Hey Jane, If Grouse Feather doesn't want to give you any specific examples, here--- let me.
Under the guise of "Lowering Taxes" what the Mega Rich are actually trying to do is eliminate Capital Gaines making 100% of their income TAX FREE. Our income taxes will Maybe be a little lower but we will then carry almost the entire burden of supplying Govt. with revenue. 2nd lowering REGULATION allows all the WALL STREET GEKKO CLONES to run wild, MORE wild than now. Manipulating LIBOR Rates for personal profit, Insider trading, Ponzi Scheems, VULTURE CAPITALISM, and price fixing. ALL TAX FREE because these incomes are all Capital Gaines. OK--Are you satisfied now? I have more if you want some more.

SO I'm still waiting to hear how lowering MY taxes to help ME realize more income is 'slavery'? LOL

Jane Aitken doesn't understand that the piddly amount she has been given as a tax break is nothing compared to what the rich are getting. When the rich are making a killing and getting richer and give her a little to keep her happy she is being made a slave of the rich and doesn't realize it. The word is innequality and if you vote Republican it will get worse. Here is a great web-site for her to look at and see who is getting richer and who is being made a slave. http://taxtherich2012.org/

And don't forget-- News Corp (Rupert Murdoch & Co.) was caught BRIBING and CORRUPTING Police at all levels as well as Politicians in Great Britain-- And phone hacking too. You KNOW that if they were doing it there, THEY ARE DOING IT HERE TOO

I tend to agree with you about the MSM however, FOX and others you mentioned have nothing to do with the CM so tastelessly printing a cartoon of OBrien comparing him to Hitler. It's just not done.

First, how are newspapers subsidized by "our tax dollars?" And an editorial cartoon is an editorial, in other words, an opinion. An editorial cartoon is not a news story.

You don't understand Capital Gains. You've never paid taxes on the gains, only the basis.

Anyone that told you that you already paid taxes on it several times lied to you. Never trust them again.

Income is income. Why should you and I get to pay less for the money we earn off investments than the money a person earns actually working. Having your money work for you is a great thing and an American tradition - so to is paying your fair share. If supporting America is asking to much, then just leave.

Jane, please stop lying.

No one wants to tax "savings." The tax is on gain, from interest, otherwise known as INCOME.

We all have to pay our own way. You want to create a freeloader class that never pays taxes, all the while you cast contempt on people who actually work for a living.
We had a silver-spoon president already during this century, we don't need another.

If paying your fair share is too much to ask, please feel free to leave, go be a burden on some other country.

Jane what you said is an opinion i would gather, so why didn't you say as much, because all you have said is just your opinion.

Unlike you, I live off my savings and investments. The amount I pay is NOT "miniscule" by any means and will be going up even higher under Obama.

And people like Romney, they don't get anything "tax free".. how could that happen?

We don't know what Romney got tax-free, the little coward won't release his tax forms.

Jane
I asked you a very simple question---which I knew you wouldn't have the courage to answer--and you didn't answer. So here it is again--- QUESTION: Why should The Wall Street GEKKO CLONES like Romney be allowed to earn 100% of their income Tax Free?

If your taxes are going to "GO UP under OBAMA" then you must be in the over $250,000 group. So to that, I say GOOD. Raise your damn taxes. I easily live comfortably on $39,000, my house was paid YEARS ago. My taxes are low and other than seeing all the Wall Street GEKKO CLONES robbing and stealing, I have no complaints

You asked a very simple question---which I answered.

The Wall Street GEKKO CLONES like Romney WON'T be allowed to earn 100% of their income tax free. That would be impossible. If you could explain how they could otherwise, I'd be happy to listen. Even if they lower the top rate, they will still pay FAR MORE TAXES than you or I. Don't forget 50% of all Americans pay NO taxes.

If your taxes are going to "GO UP under OBAMA" you don't have to necessarily be in the over $250,000 group. I can tell you right now your taxes are going up under Obama. We are in that zone where we do bear the burden so why not have some relief?

How can you claim it was not taken out of context. There are three sentences actually cut out from the MIDDLE of the quote that was run. When you hear the quote in its entirety, the quote clearly indicates Obama is talking about American Infrastructure. in the highly edited version - that you bizarrely defend - it makes it sound like Obama is talking about the businesses. I have to ask - DID YOU EVEN BOTHER TO EXAMINE THE QUOTE? Are you so in love with the mendacity of the radical right wing that you simply repeat whatever they tell you. I don't expect you to answer here, at least not honestly, but on a personal level you must feel some shame, don't you? Do you at least have that measure of dignity?

Actually, Obama's quote completely affirms my belief, for which there is a mountain of evidence, that this President is a collectivist who does not believe in individualism, capitalism, or that hard work may actually produce success. He downplays and dismisses the entire concept. And it appears that you and the other progressives on this message board are the angry ones, throwing around "hate", and "fear", and "stupid". I can tell by the number of hostile responses that you know Obama really stepped in it with this non-teleprompter rant. I am sure the campaign will keep him more tightly scripted in future so the truth about his beliefs doesn't accidentally slip out again.

The hostility Mark feels is nothing more than the natural human reaction to hearing a bold-faced lie.

I'd think Mark would be used to it by now.

Tell us more, specifically, about where Obama has shown contempt for capitalism ... it's so easy to demonstrate that you're lying and its time people learned the truth about the radical right extremists.

Jane,
The WALL STREET GEKKO CLONES income is mostly derived from investments. Currently, their main objective is to ELIMIINATE CAPITAL GAINES Taxes under the Guise of helping those wonderful "JOB CREATORS" Eliminating the Capital Gaines tax would then allow all of them TAX FREE INCOME.
Here--- let me tell you more--- back in the 1980 to 1983 years, I was trading Commodities in the Chicago Board of trade. Mostly Gold, Silver and Interest rate bonds. I actually made a bunch of money. ALL of it was taxes at 15 or 16% I think it was 16% Just think if Capital Gaines tax were eliminated, all that money would be TAX FREE ------ That's insane!!! And by the way--- I NEVER created any jobs with my low taxed income. I spent it on all kinds of crap and vacations.

Those would be newsletters, produced by towns. NOT newspapers.

And since produced using the taxpayers money, should not be censoring any opinions that might unfold from what they are doing with the taxpayers money....

Yea, that's called the basis. You don't pay taxes on that part. You pay taxes on the gain.

That's why it's called Capital Gain.

Thanks for playing, all you did was confirm what I wrote: you don't know what you are talking about.

As for your "I got my tax cut, go get your own" approach, that's just UnAmerican. We need taxes to support our military, our police, to build our roads and maintain our infrastructure. We should all seek fair system, not just one that rewards our personal interests.

As for the rest of your drivel, I can only ask: huh? You're attributing to me concepts I've never articulated. I guess once you start lying about what people say, as you did with Obama, it's hard to quit. Sucks to be you.

@TruConserve: Sucks to be me? Oh I dunno, I am grateful for what I have. It only sucks when I point out the fallacies in your thinking, which is that bigger gov't is necessary for everyone's survival, when in reality wasteful gov't is what is killing us all.

After wading through the hatefulness and Marxist far left extremist talking points it boils down to one thing: you love big government, I don't. And the only thing you can do to try to convince people they are wrong is to call names and tell them they 'suck'.

LOL

Jane, as a true conservative, I don't love government of any kind. How sad that the only way you can justify your intellectual failures to attack me as a person, not for the positions I actually hold.

My position has nothing to do with making government larger. I'm simply talking about two things:

1) because we need taxes we need a fair tax system.
2) capital gains should be taxed the same as ordinary income.

You keep going off the ideological deep end because you can't argue against either of those two points - but you think you have to because if Obama is for something, you must be against it.

That's just sad, sad, sad ... almost as sad as your abysmal English comprehension and mastery of basic political terms, not to mention your laughable inability to understand the difference between basis and gain w/r/t capital gains taxation.

I have not attacked you personally. A 'true conservative' would not be complaining about a 'fairer' system that taxes the rich. Capital gains are what ordinary people live on, not just the 'rich'. I don't think that's an 'ideological deep end'. I happen to think taxes are very dangerous especially when unchecked. After all look at all the bad things it allows government to do.

I think I have understanding enough to know that if my investments bring a profit, I am taxed on them. But it doesn't mean I didn't WORK for that money which is what some are suggesting.

You can attack my English (racist are you?) or my understanding of political terms, and how is that is not a personal attack? After all the idiot/stupid terms used here.. I am not the one you should be complaining about.

Might benefit a person who is wealthier than you more than it would benefit you. That's an understatement. Check out the after taxes income and then tell us who should be paying more taxes. http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3629

Jane, if you understand that you are to be taxed on the 'profit" from your investments, then why did you LIE and claim otherwise before? Why did you LIE and claim that your actual investment was being taxed "many times."

You want to be free-loader.

You want one tax rate for your investment income (capital gain) and then a higher rate on wage-earner (ordinary income.)

You don't want to pay your own way ...

True Conservatives love America and want a fair system. If fair means paying more, so be it.

How DARE you insult all conservatives by alleging that they love their bank accounts more than they love the USA?

False equivalency is the hobgoblin of a simple mind.

Obama has released his tax returns. Rather than lie, why don't you use google for a few seconds and save your self some embarrassment. Hate on Pelosi all you want, that's not the topic of discussion.

Do try to focus and stay on point.

http://www.barackobama.com/tax-returns/

What that about Obama not releasing his taxes? Who's a coward: the draft-dodging Romney. Whose a liar - you are!

Just pointing out the hypocrisy... Obama hasn't revealed a lot about himself, starting with college records... etc... Pelosi is a #1 hypocrite in Congress... she made millions off her position and employes NON union labor in her vineyards and also won't reveal her tax returns..

As is typical, you apologists for these total criminals is "nothing to see here, move on!!!!"

Jane ... count to 10 dear child ... You lied. You said Obama did not release his taxes so neither should Romney. Now that you see that Obama has, why can't you be consistent in now demanding that Romney do the same?

How did your little brain go from lying to libel in less than 10 seconds? What crime are you accusing Obama of now? (This should be amusing ...)

@Tru: I've never seen Obama's tax returns. I have also not only demanded Romney release his tax returns but suggest he should be jailed for fraud and graft. You like that?? (I don't expect you will, because you just like to be contrarian)

So your right / left paradigm arguments are useless on me.

Wow Scott, well, I would venture to say that I have likely paid more money in taxes in my lifetime than you have made to begin with.

No one said they didn't want to pay taxes and by the way, they are NOT 'YOUR' roads, water, land, libraries, airspace! How arrogant of you. (Water?Grazing land? Air????)

So you never bought oil to heat your house? You never bought veggies at the store? You never took out a loan? Nothing of value? Did you pay cash for your house? I guess you must haul wood to heat your water too?

You should be ashamed not just for calling us productive citizens "bums" (I worked steadily since the age of 15 with only one year off) but for typing in all caps.. that's yelling AND hateful.

I have never seen so much envy of the fruits of others and so much hatred toward people who might have more than you... whew....

You are a very sad and very angry woman ...

The government did nothing? Then why do you care who is in government? It can't do anything. That means no good, no bad. Policy doesn't matter if government does nothing.

Thanks for playing ...

BTW: if you don't understand what Socialism and Marxism are, then don't use them in your writing. It only leads to more people calling you an idiot.

Seriously: "our Marxist school system," and yet you wonder why your writing is met with such contempt? Redeem yourself, explain what Marxism is and then why the American school system is Marxist.

@Tru fake conservative: You prove that you are no conservative if you keep bashing those who want less taxes... so the moniker you've chosen to hide behind means nothing. Why not just use your real name? Too chicken? Anonymous coward as they say?

You keep saying it's the "Romney way" when it's well known that I have no use for the man. So the Romney bashing has no effect on me.

He's a liberal just like you are.

I love it ... keep posting Jane.

You don't realize it, but your lack of even the most basic understanding of tax law only supports my argument.

In America we tax income, sometimes characterized as gain. Whenever you have gain, you need to pay a little something to the government to help pay for the military, for the police, for the roads, etc. NO ONE WANTS TAXES, but if we need to have a tax, it needs to be fair.

You just argued that having your money work for you is the same as you doing the work yourself - then let's tax it the same. If I turn a wrench for 10 hours and earn 100 dollars, whereas you invest 10 dollars and get 110 dollars back, don't we both have 100 dollars of gain, of income? Why not tax it at the same rate? Why should your efforts get a tax break?

You want a free ride. You have contempt for people who turn wrenches and think people who have "investment" income deserve to do less to support the military and the police.

That's the Romney way, that's not the American way.

@Gary: I am not sure why you are referring to FOX BUSINESS EWS. There is no TV on in my house except to watch My Cat From Hell or Dog Whisperer. I don't even know where FOX BUSINESS is on the dial! I work all day, for about 16 hours so I am not sure when I'd have time to watch TV. But you have to find someone to blame for the ideas of capitalism I guess.

The fact that this comment board has swayed from the original article's point about the CM getting a taste of its own medicine is testimony to the fact you libs will toss mud at any wall and hope it sticks.

The class warfare tactic (and ensuing hatred and name calling when challenged) loses it for you every time.

"I've paid more taxes in my lifetime than you have MADE in your lifetime. "

You have no idea who I am ... and I doubt you have any understanding how funny your claim is. All it reveals is that in the absence of knowledge, you'll make stuff up ... whatever it takes to avoid the issue: You want to be a free loader. You want one tax rate for the workers, and another for the investors. You want to do less than your fair share. You should be ashamed.

By the way - the lie you told, repeatedly, is that capital gain is a tax on money that has already been taxed. Only the gain is taxed, and no measure of mendacity from you can change that simply, immutable fact.

BTW: after you melt-down I went ahead and googled the whole "Kissinger first job" thing and it turns out - YOU'RE LYING!

It's clear now: you want THAT black man out of YOUR white house, and there is no conspiracy too far in pursuit of that goal.

Logic never defeats bigotry, there is no point to engage you going forward ...

Make sure you take your tin-foil hat with you as you leave ...

Jane wrote: You are the one who said "You don't understand Capital Gains. You've never paid taxes on the gains, only the basis" whatever that means.

RESPONSE: if you don't know what it means, then you don't belong in this discussion. It's Tax 101.

Jane: I don;t care about capital gains. What I do care about is this: The Middle Class is diminishing everyday. The door to opportunity is about to close on people like yourself. Your choice of future leadership, Mr. Romney, does not give a rat's ass about you. Especially if you count your money in 20s, 10s, 5s, 1s and change. If so, you are part of the underclass, your only value to the Elites like Romney, is you will be willing to work longer hours for shorter wages. He made his money on the backs of people like you. His company, Bain, is about to shut down a company in Michigan and send the jobs to China. Romney and people in his world of wealth, look at you as dispensable. They are wealthy and you are not. That's the reality of it. Sorry to bum you out. But, your part of the underclass, so deal with it. It's all you got coming to you from Mr. Romney and his pals. So, whatever dreams you have, you're going to have to put them on hold. You ain't gonna have the money for it. The banks aren't happy to loan to the underclass. So sit tight, your future is being determined for you as we speak. Vote for Romney and please don;t have kids, it's only going to be worse for them.

You left out the part where they will also destroy all the women's rights that have been gained in the last 70 years. And also destroy all unions and workers rights and destroy the middle class once and for all. They would be a complete disaster.

Jane has no idea what she is buying into. My guess she is not voting for Romney, but voting against Obama. That's her right. But why she is buying into is a lower chance of moving up. The Middle Class is under attack, it is a diminishing class in America. American workers have become a commodity to the Corporations. All the average American is becoming good for is someone who is willing to work longer hours for shorter wages, and no benefits.

Dear Gary: "Jane wants smaller government and less regulation, lower taxes so she's votin' Romney and Republicans."

I wonder how it is that you know who I am voting for and what I am thinking? Apparently you don't follow my blogs. I am totally against all the things you have mentioned in your post above, including candidates like Romney.

Dear William,

I have a complete idea of what I am NOT "buying into". I just love how all of you are claiming to know how I'm voting and what I'm thinking. It's comical.

Jack: Americans have become a commodity. The Middle Class is slowly being eliminated. Poverty is approaching historic numbers. If people count their money in 20s, 10s, 5s, 1s and change, they are definitely destined for commodity hood. They will be expected to work longer hours for shorter wages. No benefits. That's the America Mr. Romney and the GOP have in store for America. They intend to reduce taxes on the uber rich, to the point the uber rich will be paying nothing. The entire burden of the debt will fall on the working class, or as it is destined to be the underclass. These guys have no loyalty to this country. They serve profit. Where ever the money is is where they are headed. Wealth inequality in America is one of the worst in the Western World.

Did you miss the apology i posted? I apologized for jumping in to the middle of a fracas. I misunderstood the thread of the debate. Again, please accept my apology for wrongfully characterizing your positions.

This original article was about O'Brien, the CM, and how the CM censors or shows bias in their reporting and is now angry that they are getting a taste of their own medicine.

It is the rest of you who devolved into an argument about taxes, the election, and even racism accusations, loudly proclaimed as if it were cogent to the discussion but based on nothing anyone has said before it. (Bravado from bullies like @Tru doesn't trump the truth.)

Perhaps in the future we should disallow off topic comments and/or people should not answer them.

Your demand that I 'pick' one or the other is why this country is in the trouble it is in. If you still think you have a choice, you are sadly mistaken. If you think anything will be done differently you're deluded.

GARY: Marxist-Socialist. You did not think up that piece of silliness on your own, no F'ing way. Here's something; Your stating by lowering the tax rates, and they are not on every one. The corporate rate of the Elites, we be disproportionate to the money you earn and what they earn. This is more Corporate welfare. A quick stroll through recent history. During the Bush years, the top rate was lowered to 35% and there was deregulation of the Financial Markets. Trickle down theory. The same one you, are suggesting now. The results of that largess was a collapse of the economy, and a loss of millions of jobs. Obama extended the tax cuts for 2 years under the promise, by the GOP, it would stir the Job Creators. No jobs. Trickle down. it failed under Reagan, Bush I and Bush II and the GOPers want another shot. Are you a masochist. Wages went down, unemployment went up.. We have to get out of the yoke of Corporate influence in Government. Romney is a supply sider. During the Great Depression: American workers provided the labor for a fair wage and the Wealthy provided the money. Top rate at that time 96%. Eisenhower, 1950s, top rate 91%, unemployment 3%. See a pattern? Average Americans can not keep contributing cheap labor for profit takers who contribute nothing. If you count your money in 20s, 10s, 5s,1s and change you are officially part of the underclass. You know, the gum stuck on the sole of Romney's custom made shoes

William, I just found it amazing that after I posted about how I too had been censored by the CM which resulted in my not having any sympathy for them now that they are getting a taste of their own medicine, the conversation devolved into a discussion of taxes, the election, and racism... None of us have said a THING that would even suggest a HINT of racism, but when known bullies like Tru get on the horn, that's all they can come up with to make their points.

That said I did give my opinion on those things and was called names which is not supposed to be allowed on this forum.

Jack: The essential point, made by Mr. Obama, and many throughout our history, is; as de Tocqueville discovered during his journey through early America. He saw a vibrate independence of character, and a responsibility to and reliance on others. America's success was a collective desire to succeed. This spirit can be reawakened when people realize you can't do it on your own. The Elites in this country believe, that they and they alone have succeeded. Mr. Obama is a conservative, in the sense, he still thinks Americans are capable of functioning as a united front against inequity and still win through collective success. As in the Great Depression; America pulled together, Top Tax rate at the time was 96%. Average people were providing the labor, the wealthy the money. Under Eisenhower, the Top Rate was 91%, unemployment was 3%. See a pattern here. To succeed as a Country everyone has to participate. Profit taking is not participating. Job Creators,is a myth to cover up, a reduction of the Elites responsibility to the USA. Their contributions to the construction, doesn't match the back breaking labor it took to build the roads and bridges. The Elites want longer hours for shorter wages. It's a form of profit maximizing. Workers once got a better cut of the pie. It's down to a sliver. Next is crumbs. They have no say in the matter. The underclass has become a commodity. Labor.

Someone else brought up the controversy about the "you didn't build that" comment to which I added my comment about how he was correct because the things Obama would like you to think he gave you were paid for by people who built things.

I'm not even TALKING about foreign aid, that's another thing altogether. And higher taxes DO hurt the economy because it means less money SPENT. That money is the natural 'stimulus' to the economy. Speaking of stimulus and bailouts, consider this...

Here is the money that represents what some foreign banks got out of the bailouts:
http://www.businessweek.com/the_thread/economicsunbound/archives/2009/03/german_and_fren.html

This is a better list of bailout money:
http://projects.propublica.org/bailout/list/simple

Failed 'green' companies under Obama:
http://www.dividedstates.com/list-of-failed-obama-green-energy-solar-companies/

Stimulus money failures:
http://reason.com/blog/2011/12/08/why-obamas-stimulus-failed-a-case-study

All this guy knows how to do is waste money.
How much more of our treasury is this man going to loot?
There will be no change under Romney.

Yes not much editing happens when you are doing 5 other things at the same time.

Jane just posted 4 Rebublican blogs all of which downplayed the stimulus. If she used reputable sources she would see the stimulus was a success. She just likes to read articles that misinform and then pass that misinformation on to these comment sections. It's hard to argue with someone who gets false information and tries to pass it out as truth. Here is a more logical result of the stimulus along with charts and graphs for the arguement of how the stimulus has brought us back from Bush's disastrous policies. http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3252

I don't watch TV or 'switch sides' but nice try. And your post above that starts off with the 'reading disability' is abusive so it won't get a response from me.

Jane: Sorry about the reading disability remark. But this comment is indicative of your style. You are just tossing out talking points. The way to kill is to take comments like deepest trouble in the country, and remember the Great Depression when tossing out such a broad sweeping indictment. From last year: The economy would have been in much worse shape without the 2009 stimulus — which increased employment in the third quarter of this year (2011) by as many as 3.3 million full-time jobs, according to a report by the Congressional Budget Office.
American Seating Company, Grand Rapids, Mich. has not only rehired all of its former employees, but also added 11 new workers. All this, says David McLaughlin, the company’s vice president and general sales manager, is thanks to the $8.4 billion investment in transit capital from the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 (ARRA) With auto companies back to profitability and the overall economy picking up, the public has a decidedly warmer view toward the stimulus plan and the auto It bailout. New Pew Center poll, 61 percent said the economic stimulus plan in 2009 mostly helped the economy, while just 31 percent thought it mostly hurt. This how you make your argument with support for your suppositions. Just read past the headline.